Tuesday, November 16, 2010

Nikon 85mm 1.4G vs Nikon 135mm f2.0 DC (Defocus Control)

UPDATE: 12/26/10

Watch my Youtube video on the Nikon 135mm f2 DC vs Nikon 85mm 1.4G:



I was able to get my hands on the new Nikon 85mm 1.4G AFS. I had sold my old 85mm 1.4D about a month ago knowing that I'd be making this purchase as soon as Nikon announced it. I knew it was going to be tough to get a hold of this lens, (same for the Nikon 135mm f2.0 DC), so I recommend picking up one or the other if you get a chance.

First, the difference between the two 85mm 1.4G vs. 85mm 1.4D in my opinion.

There are plenty of reviews out there comparing the two lenses technically, but I am just going to give you my take on the two lenses.

First, Id like to say that I LOVE BOTH, and you cannot go wrong with either therefore I am happy that its back in my arsenal.

So what are the differences?

Well, the NEW Version is quiet and focuses faster in regular and low light. Shooting running kids was not a problem for me, and you CAN tell the difference when you compare the two in regards to focus.

The new version is also sharper from edge to edge compared to the old 85mm 1.4D, but please note the old version was already extremely Sharp, therefore this may not be a factor in upgrading to the new version for you.

In regard to Bokeh, I must say is almost the same but a slight advantage to the new G version. You can hardly tell the difference unless you look really close. The Bokeh on either lens is EXCELLENT, and you cannot go wrong with either.

The new version does have Nano Crystal Coat, that I find extremely helpful especially when shooting against the sun. The nano crystal coat does help with flare reduction, and since the old 85 1.4D lacked the Nano Crystal Coat, I always hesitated shooting with it against the sun. Now, with the new version, I feel comfortable shooting against the sun, therefore I no longer have to mount the Nikon 24-70mm or 70-200mm VRII for sun flare shots.

Another minor change with the New Version that I find a big plus is the lens hood. The old version's hood screwed into the lens filter which was annoying especially trying to clean the lens or transport it. The old version's lens hood was hard to take off, sometimes requiring to unscrew the entire filter from the lens. The new version's lens hood easily snaps on and off.

Last, regarding color. The new lens renders warmer colors which I find an advantage especially when shooting people and portraits.

So in a nutshell:

85mm 1.4 G Advantages over the 85mm 1.4D
-Faster & More Quiet Focus
-Sharper from Edge to Edge
-Slightly Better Bokeh
-Nano Crystal Coating
-Better Lens Hood
-Warmer Skin Tone Colors
-Auto Focuses on D60, D40, D3000, D3100, D5000 cameras

Disadvantage:
-Price, but for me it was well worth the extra $400.


Now, in comparison to the KING of BOKEH in the Nikon lineup, Nikon 135mm f2.0 DC.

The 135mm f2.0 DC is a fantastic lens and of course its BOKEH can arguably be better than the 85mm 1.4 G or D. But the 135mm f2 DC is lens that you'll need to spend more time on learning especially with the Defocus Control. You can shoot it like a regular lens leaving the DC function neutral, BUT, you are not fully utilizing the function of the lens.

Now, for the main differences between the 135mm f2 DC and the Nikon 85mm 1.4:

The Nikon 85mm 1.4 D or G focuses faster both in low light and regular light. Ive tried both lenses on running children and found the 135mm f2 DC too slow to focus and struggled in focusing. So for Fast Focusing Speed, the 85mm 1.4 (New or OLD) is the winner.

For low light situations, Id pick the 85mm over the 135mm because with the 135mm, you have to stay above a 1/135 shutter speed to prevent shake unless you are using a mono pod or tripod. So you ll be stuck shooting at 1/160 sec and your only solution to lower high ISO levels is to open the aperture. Since the 135mm is a f2.0 lens, you are limited and shooting wide open on both lenses can be dangerous especially at 1.4 or 2.0. Winner: 85mm 1.4

Last, Sharpness & Bokeh: Which has better Sharpness & Bokeh? Both the 85mm 1.4 & 135mm f2 have EXCELLENT Bokeh and are both REALLY SHARP. In regards to bokeh, Many may argue both have Similar Bokeh effects. Both lenses are sharp and both produces very similar Creamy Bokeh's but a slight advantage to the 135mm f2 dc because of the ability to control more or less bokeh with the defocus control. Winner: 135mm f2 DC

Uses for the 135mm over the 85mm:
The 135mm Id use for portrait shots of the couple, especially if there is a lot of space such as an outdoor setting and plenty of time. The 135mm is a lens that you want to take your time with especially if you are going to use the Defocus Control. The 135mm is the lens that Id reach for if there was foreground & background that Id want more out of focus, such as the shot below.




The 85mm 1.4 Id use for tighter places and super close ups. Also, its the lens Id pick for fast moving kids or people. If I was in a hurry, its the 85mm that gets used more only because the 135mm has the defocus ring that I like to adjust and take my time with, and with the 85mm 1.4, its a matter of adjusting the aperture to get the desired bokeh effect. For low light, the 85mm gets used over the 135mm. Here is a shot taken with a Nikon 85mm 1.4G. Note the better colors and warmer skin tones compared to the 135mm f2 DC.



Summary:

-Both 85mm 1.4 G & D performs better than 135mm f2 DC in low light
-Both 85mm 1.4 G & D focuses faster than 135mm f2 DC, & is better for moving subjects
-The 85mm 1.4G has Nano Crystal Coating that can be useful shooting against the sun
-The 85mm 1.4G renders warmers colors than both the 85mm 1.4D and 135mm f2 DC
-The 135mm f2 DC has better BOKEH than both the 85mm 1.4 G & D
-ALL 3 LENSES ARE EXCELLENT: Nikon 85mm 1.4 G/D or a Nikon 135mm f2 DC


AGAIN, these are based on my opinion and how I use the lens. Your opinion and usage may vary.

Thanks for looking!!!

17 comments:

  1. I agree 100% with your comments.

    I recently picked up the 135 F2 and upgraded the 85 to the G.

    The 135 does take time to learn how to properly use, and I must admit, I am still getting the feel of it, but it's probably my favorite lens (and that includes the 70-200 VRII). it just has a certain magic to it.

    The 85G for me is superb, but so was my D.

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  2. I currently have the 135 w/c I had to wait for 3 months to get but it was all worth it and now considering the 85 1.4G. Nice to read a review who actually owned both lens :-) Although I shoot mostly portraiture, I prefer the 70-200 vr2 on wedding along with my 50mm 1.4 and 28-70mm. Do you think it's an over kill to have the 85 too or go with the 35mm 1.4? I'm just trying to make sure I get the one the I like better since these lenses are not cheap..arrghhh hard decision

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  3. Norman,

    I agree it is a hard decision to make considering these lenses are expensive. For me, I shoot strictly people and weddings just like you, so I personally will not find a use for the 35mm f1.4. For me, the 50mm 1.4 is my least used lens, and I probably doubt Id use the 35mm 1.4 only because Id reach for the 24-70mm first.

    I own 3 of 4 portrait lenses which are consider really good in the Nikon lineup which includes 70-200mm vr2. I find myself reaching for the 85mm f1.4 more than anything especially for portraits of the couple after the ceremony. The 70-200vr2 only comes out during the ceremony and reception where zooms are really useful. The 135mm I used when I have plenty of space or really do not have a great backdrop to work with where I really want everything out of focus except the couple.

    In your situation, being a portrait photographer, Id go with the 85mm. I personally dont see a need for the 35mm especially if you have the 28-70 & 50mm f1.4 already. 35mm & 50mm is too close for me to justify spending that much on a lens. The 85mm is similar to the 135mm in terms of bokeh, but the 85mm is a great lens to have especially for low light portraits.

    But on another note, if you were speaking 85mm vs 24mm, now this is a different story because you are lacking on the wide end based on the info you provided.

    To other readers: Please note, this is stricly based on my opinion and you may have a different point of view. This is all based on having these lenses mounted on FX and not DX.

    Hope this helps!

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  4. Thanks for posting your comments.
    Bart

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  5. Hi Bro...wanted to ask you does this 85mmf1.4g suit with d60 nikon body? will i get everything same? what about the effects and bokeh? and zoom?

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  6. HouseOfPhotoGraphy~ The 85mm f1.4G will work on a D60 but it will not be a true 85mm. Instead it becomes like a 130mm f1.4 because of the crop sensor factor therefore shooting with it requires space. You might want to consider other options such as a 50mm f1.4 which becomes a 75mm 1.4 and will be more cost effective and yield similar results. I would then just upgrade my body instead to a D90 or D7000.

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  7. Darwin M. Garza Photography~ what u trying to say from the explanation? you saying changing the entire dslr to d90 or d7000?

    how about if i buy d90 or d7000 85mm f1.4G will give the true effect of the picture and bokeh clarity will be the same from the lens?

    for d60: What you would suggest for macro shot and bokeh lens? Because i am focusing this 2 area fully. give the list of choice i can look into bro. what bout tamron and sigma. if u have any suggestion for that also please do list down...need your guidance bro..

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  8. I have both the 85mm f1.4G and the 135mm f2 DC and I loved your analysis. I can't think of much more than what you said, but I do want to emphasize the fact that I use them both just as much for portraits.

    Remember the 135mm will add more compression to the background, so I will use that for closeups if I do not want the background to be a noticeable factor. Example, I am at a construction site with ugly background but great colors. I will shoot with the 135mm just because I can minimize how much of the background is included in the frame. With the 85mm, I have to worry a bit more about separation of the background and shooting with shallow depth of field.

    If I was shooting at a botanical garden with lots of great background, I would go with the 85mm only because it shows more background with the same subject composition.

    I hope this helps.

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  9. Hey Darwin,
    Great review and comparison between the 2 lenses. I'll give you a partial equipment list and the ask the question. I currently shoot primaily portraits and weddings. I have a Nikon D3S and the following lenses: Nikkor 80-200 f2.8, the 85mm f1.4D, a 50mm f1.4D, the 24-70mm f2.8 and a Sigma 1500mm f2.8 macro. My question is, would you upgrade to the 85mm G version or purchase the 135mm f2.0 DC lens?
    Thanks,
    Len C.

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  10. I was between these two lenses and ended up getting the 105mm f/2.8 Micro VR lens instead. The bokeh is suprisingly good and resoloution is off the charts. I've had the 85mm f/1.4D and the 70-200 f/2.8 VR before too, and I have to say, I'm impressed with the 105 VR. Not quite as much blur, but very creamy, razor sharp, hand-holdable in any light, and the kind of contrast that pops and seperates the subject from the background. I might add a 135 or an 85mm again someday for really blown out backgrounds, but for right now it's the 105mm. I've still got to shoot a wedding with it to see how I really feel, but right now I'm lovin' it. I hear Nikon's got a 135mm f/1.8 af-s VR under patent right now, I'm guessing it'll run $3,000+ based on the price of the 85mm 1.4 af-s and thier 200mm f/2 VR lenses. That's not a bill I want!

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  11. I'm considering the 135mm F/2 DC. The only reason I would get this over say something like the 85mm f/1.4 G, is the fact is has an aperture ring and can be used with my Nikon FE and FM3A. I have a couple G lenses (70-200 and 14-24) and only wish everyday that I could use them on my manual cameras.

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  12. Really helpful analysis :)
    I am bokehollic and wanted to know which one would be a better pick. I think I will pick the 135MM first and then the 85 1.4G just because i am paranoyed that they will stop making these lenses very soon :)

    Cheers!

    Jishnu Nandy

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  13. woww, great pict and amazing bokeh
    Thanks for review, it was excellent and very informative.
    thank you :)

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  14. I bought 135 F2 DC couple of days ago after using sigma 35/1.4 as my only lens on D610. like some ppl reported, i never have any focusing issue with this lens and it is tack sharp at F2. But one thing i have to say coming from 35/1.4, it is not for low light unless you use a tripod you are forced to increase ISO bcz of 1/135 rule. I had max 1500 euro budget and was thinking btw 85/1.8 and this lens, im so glad i bought this one and totally in love with it. I have never used 85/1.4 and would agree with all what you said, but just a small remark, the picture you show one is taken from one angle and other from totally opposite side, so can't compare the sharpness bcz there will be different lighting in both cases

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